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Oct. 7th, 2004 @ 11:22 am Dear Israel,
Is this your idea of terrorists? Or perhaps "demographic threats"?

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juvenalian:
From:bumpinthenite
Date:October 28th, 2004 01:18 pm (UTC)
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It is tragic when people don't care about human life and teach their children that they can walk into a pizza place and blow up the innocent people inside, as well as themselves.

When you teach that to your children, THATS when they get caught in the middle. They are dead and dying because of the terrorism you teach. You cant attack a nation and not expect a retaliation, and then say "oh look youre killing my people."

Learn to respect life, and your children will stop dying. Stop using your children as tools and let Israel have ONE SINGLE DAY OF PEACE.
From:juvenalian
Date:October 28th, 2004 01:41 pm (UTC)
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Why do Jews teach their children to hate? "Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness."

As long as the stronger power continues to kill Palestinian children when it can avoid doing so, the weaker power will continue to kill "Israeli" children. And I hope they do. Ooooh, yes, that is very anti-Semitic. But of course, more than 20% of "Israelis" are Arabs.. but we forget that, and instead we just stick to the smear campaign. Too bad it has become a "crying wolf" story at this point. :D
From:bumpinthenite
Date:October 28th, 2004 05:12 pm (UTC)
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Israelis respond the only way possible to terrrists. They have only ever responded to attacks, they never provoke them. In fact, when Israelis were WITHDRAWING from the Gaza strip, Palestinians sent a rocket over and killed two Israeli children. When they were WITHDRAWING.

You are very misinformed, and sadly closed minded. You can't use the excuse of being "weak" to justify terrirst bombs. The simple truth is that anyone with a respect for life would never do that kind of thing.
From:juvenalian
Date:October 28th, 2004 05:48 pm (UTC)
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The simple truth is that anyone with a respect for life would never do that kind of thing.
I'll take that as an admission that Jews have no respect for life. :)

If Jews are justified in retaliating (and killing Palestinian children), I don't see why Palestinians shouldn't be in doing the same. I love exposing hypocritical Jews and/or Zionists. Especially the neo-Nazist types. ;)
From:bumpinthenite
Date:October 28th, 2004 05:18 pm (UTC)
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"the weaker power will continue to kill "Israeli" children. And I hope they do"

Okay I am done posting here since anyone who would hope for more death is evil. I wonder where people get their views of your people from? You just illustrated perfectly.
From:juvenalian
Date:October 28th, 2004 05:28 pm (UTC)
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I am not Palestinian. Or an Arab. If you think only Palestinians and Arabs support the Palestinian cause and resistance movement, you better check again. In another 10 years, there will be so much opposition to Israel that it will no longer be able to exist. If you think Israel can get rid of more Palestinians the way it did in 1948, you are very mistaken. There is now a huge resistance movement that has international backing, believe it or not.
From:bumpinthenite
Date:October 28th, 2004 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Your people=supporters of the palestinian "cause"

you have never been there, have you? you believe what someone tells you rather than what youve seen. You claim to expose hypocrites but excuse me... you seem tobe interested in destroying an entire country. You also have no concept of history. The war is documented in many places, in US history books and everywhere else, as being started by Arab nations. Thats whats called a "fact."

Additionally, The palestinians were not forced to leave in 1948. They fled when Egypt attacked Israel and now they want back in. I guess it makes you feel good and powerful, that you think you're fighting for a cause but you don't even know whats going on, you have no handle on the facts, and seem to be happy spreading hate.

How can you dare to call Isarel a racist nation when Lebanon and Jordan don't allow Jews and expel Christians? Also calling for destruction of an entire country is not normal. Wanting certain rights or freedoms make sense.. but denying the existence of a state is absurd. Your hypocrisy and ignorance is monumental.

From:juvenalian
Date:October 28th, 2004 10:43 pm (UTC)
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Excuse me? Where have you read that Lebanon does not allow Jews? Or expel Christians? More than 40% of the Lebanese in Lebanon are Christians. The majority of the Lebanese diaspora are Christians. There are many Christians in Jordan. Moreover, there has been a noteable Jewish community in Lebanon, and to this day the remains of a synagogue remain in Beirut, as does a Jewish cemetary. In fact, Lebanese Jews refused to move to Israel, despite many attempts by Zionists. Until the Lebanese civil war erupted. Even then the Lebanese Jews refused to move to Israel. They left for the places that had large Lebanese diasporas, such as Australia, Brazil, etc. They were first-class citizens, and during their religious holidays, Muslim and Christian leaders were invited. When the Jewish community in Beirut was besieged during the war (not particularly targeted, mind you), Arafat himself sent food and aid to them. Today there are efforts to renovate the synagogue. There is a recent entry about this on my journal.

Israel must be destroyed, and I'm not picky as to how. Anyone that stands in the way of its destruction is fair game, as he/she can be considered an enemy combatant. As per the Jewish Israeli rules of combat. :D

The 1967 war was started by Israel. Not even Jews like Michael Oren (previous adviser to the Israeli delegation at the UN) deny it. Your self-righteousness as a Jew has made you blind. Take off your blue and white goggles. There's much more going on than Jews being victimised. Stop acting the victim, and you will stop being victimised. Whine whine whine whine whine. That's all you Zionist Jews do.

Btw, this is my last reply to you. Go away, troll.

Try hooking up with your racist neo-Nazist pals at all4israel.
From:bumpinthenite
Date:October 28th, 2004 10:54 pm (UTC)
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I am not blind, I have lived there where as you have apparently never been.Therefore I know what really goes on there.If anyone plays the victim, it is the palestinians whining for a piece of what is not theirs since they cannot take care of their own problems.

Also...my friends family was expelled from lebanon for being christian.

Um, and thanks for making it personal and calling me a troll. I just had to post here since I'm not able to sit around and not respond when someone tries to spread hate about my people.

"thats all you zionist jews do" geez, how racist can you get.

K. Take care and don't get too depressed when the State of Israel outlives you.
From:juvenalian
Date:October 28th, 2004 11:01 pm (UTC)
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Also...my friends family was expelled from lebanon for being christian.
Wow, some good stuff you've been smoking..! Must be some good "Israeli" weed.. The president of Lebanon is a Christian, and half the parliament is too. Muslims and Christians in Lebanon live peacefully, despite some tensions that have remained from the civil war days. There is a general atmosphere of tolerance. And no Christians are expelled. Many leave by choice for economic reasons.

when someone tries to spread hate about my people.
"Your" people? Since when is Judaism a race? Great, can we now have a Christian race?

how racist can you get.
Yet another one of your appeal to emotion fallacies and smear campaigns. Already too familiar with it. Try it somewhere else. It won't work here. Maybe you will like mick_hale a lot.

don't get too depressed when the State of Israel outlives you.
It won't outlive me, of that I am sure. Israel's time is coming.





From:kupo717
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:36 am (UTC)
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oh and I just read what you said about "your people" and I was completely and entirely offended by that. You are judging the whole Arab race based one person's ignorant comment, now who but you is the true evil ignorant person? For it is ignorance that creates evil and that is what's causing the evil in the middle east...ignorance...and you have just illustrated that..."perfectly". By the way, I am a Lebanese Arab and I don't support the killing of innocent Israeli children just as much as I don't support the killing of innocent Palestinian children. So don't just start making judgements about the Arab race. I'm an Arab and everyone tells me that I am the most peaceful person they know. And I don't know what "views" you are talking about that everyone else has about Arabs. I can't recall ever hearing on the news or from people at school that Arabs are evil. I don't want to sound like I'm making judgements or accusing anyone but maybe it is just the Jewish people's views that Arabs are evil. I know a lot more of the world's countries supported Lebanon than they did Israel in the Lebanon-Israel conflict. That's all,

bye :)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:48 am (UTC)

i dont use LJ anymore

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Nowhere did I say "your people" = Arab. The author of this page isn't an Arab. The Author isn't remotely connected to the middle east, but someone who, from afar, from reading things and never having been there, decided to support the palestinian cause and hope more israelis die.

From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:54 am (UTC)

Re: i dont use LJ anymore

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Hi May.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 05:00 am (UTC)

Re: i dont use LJ anymore

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Actually, I have lived in the Middle East all my life, knobhead.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:54 am (UTC)
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What a bandwagoner. Arabs don't need "people" like you. Please do us all a favour and leave this world. Thank you.
From:kupo717
Date:February 15th, 2005 06:08 am (UTC)

Ugh, just leave me alone

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LISTEN YOU, I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE YOU KNOW, TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BUT YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY AN ANGRY PERSON WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE ELSE'S OPINIONS. WHETHER YOU'RE ARAB, PALESTINIAN, LEBANESE, AN ALIEN, OR WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU ARE, YOU ARE ONE INSANE FUCKED UP INDIVIDUAL. All you know how to do is blame everyone for everything that happens around the world. You don't even care about peace, all you care about is throwing dirty accusations at people. And as for your comment that "Arabs don't need people like me" well first of all, seeing that you're not Arab, you have no right to make any kind of comment like that and even if you were an Arab I still believe that Arabs do need people like me since many of them see it my way anyways. Newsflash, there have been many peace talks between Israel and Palestine recently and they've declared a cease-fire. Obviously they've learned to set aside their differences to acheive peace and they've left people like you out of it.

And by the way, I don't care how many fucking communities you run, I will say whatever I want to say to you and if I think I don't have the right to ask that you to not reply back to me then you're wrong. I can tell you whatever I want and I have every right, to want you to stay away from me, after what I've heard you say to me. I don't like you and I think you are a disgrace to all Middle-Easterns, and I think you should "fuck off" and "leave this world" because we really could use less of people like you in this world. I will stop commenting on this journal now cuz I really don't want to hear your crap anymore. Whatever you say to me, I'm just going to delete so don't even bother!
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 06:46 am (UTC)

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seeing that you're not Arab, you have no right to make any kind of comment like that

I can make any comment I wish to make.

there have been many peace talks between Israel and Palestine recently and they've declared a cease-fire. Obviously they've learned to set aside their differences to acheive peace and they've left people like you out of it.

In your dreams, little boy. You're too naive if you think there's going to be any peaceful solution. Too naive. And know too little (if anything) about the Middle East. Maybe you need to live there to understand what I'm talking about, rather than visiting the country in the summer and going to pubs and cafes. There is basically no cease-fire between the Palestinian people and "Israel", only between that traitor Abbas and his zionist masters. Newsflash, Hamas did really well in the local elections. Obviously, YOU'RE the one who's wrong. But we'll see about that soon. ;)

Whatever you say to me, I'm just going to delete so don't even bother!

Delete? Who's the one in charge, little boy? You're so full of yourself, aren't you?

Bye bye, little boy. We'll see where your beloved "Israelis" are in a decade. Hopefully deported to USA and Europe, back to where they came from.

No justice, no peace. Time to jump off the bandwagon, kid. Open your eyes, 'tis a wake-up call. I want peace more than you do, but I'm not going to stop defending my rights just to provide peace for others who have stolen my land. I will fight in any way I can, and whether you consider it immoral is irrelevant. At the end of the day, I will be a step closer to justice, and you, you will be nowhere but your whining hippy bandwagon.
From:ethan123456
Date:February 18th, 2005 01:40 pm (UTC)

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"just to provide peace for others who have stolen MY land"

How does Palestine/Israel in any way belong to you...a Lebanese Armenian???? Uh oh I think youve got some colonialist tendencies - You twit, there is no difference between you claiming that Palestine/Israel is your land and a Jewish community from Syria (of whom there are tens of thousands) going to Israel to live. Wait actually there is a difference, Syrian Jews were tired of being treated as dhimmis and second class citizens and can actually trace their history back long enough to know that they had gone from Israel thousands of years ago to Syria (and are SYrian in culture, not armenian) (same with Jews from Egypt, Iraq, Kurdistan, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Yemen) not to mention keeping a strong religious attachment to the land for thousands and thousands of years. Of course they are usurpers but you, the Lebanese Armenian - you can sure call it your land without being a usurper. Samir al-Qantar, a murderous, and particularly ugly Lebanese monster who crosses into Palestine has more of a right to it than Jewish community in Syria, of whom he killed for being a usuerper, even though he, as an Alien lebanese does not have any right to the land???

You just revealed yourself as an idiot
From:juvenalian
Date:February 18th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC)

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How does Palestine/Israel in any way belong to you...a Lebanese Armenian????
Show me where I said it does. And stop putting words into my mouth, you will notice I did not emphasise on that word, YOU did.

I said:

I want peace more than you do, but I'm not going to stop defending my rights just to provide peace for others who have stolen my land.

Where in this sentence did I refer to Palestine?

Arsehole. Nothing will stop you from trying to defame others, will it? Thanks for showing your true colours.

ou twit, there is no difference between you claiming that Palestine/Israel is your land and a Jewish community from Syria
Where did I say Palestine is my land? I said that if someone steals my land, I will not make peace with them. Get it? It doesn't mean I was refering to Palestine.

are SYrian in culture, not armenian
Your point? Armenians have lived in Syria and Lebanon for YEARS and have never betrayed their host countries, unlike the Jews.

Of course they are usurpers but you, the Lebanese Armenian - you can sure call it your land without being a usurper.
Moron, your entire attack on me is based on YOUR attempts to put words into my mouth. You are not here to discuss, you are here to defame, and you will be treated accordingly. Consider yourself banned, too.

ugly Lebanese monster
Racist. Now you know why I call your kind Nazis.

who crosses into Palestine has more of a right to it than Jewish community in Syria
And the Jews who crossed into Lebanon had more right to it when they invaded Lebanon? Arsehole, you deserved what you got, and sour grapes! You will be killed in the thousands, civilians and military personnel if you don't stop what you're doing, if you don't stop your hypocrisy. Stop playing the victims.

as an Alien lebanese does not have any right to the land???
But the supposedly Jewish North Americans whose ancestors have not set foot on that land for thousands of years, DO????? You're ridiculous, and pathetic.

You just revealed yourself as an idiot
No, you did. You also revealed your racism, and got banned in the process.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 18th, 2005 10:07 pm (UTC)

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"Racist"

Sorry not a racist. I called Samir ugly not because he was Lebanese but because he is just plain ugly. I think many Israelis and Egyptians Ive seen are ugly too. In general, I think Lebanese are some of the most attractive people in the Middle East, I should know I dated some (with the exception of Samir)

He is a monster not because he is a Lebanese but because he shot and killed 2 children including a 4 year old. I think you have to be a particular kind of monster to do that. Of course you wish for the deaths of certain types of children so I guess you cant understand the outrage in that unlike most of the civilized world. (And please dont deflect the attention to Israeli soldiers killing children - I think if one deliberately killed a child then they are monsters too and unlike you, I dont go around extolling child killers on my livejournal
From:juvenalian
Date:February 18th, 2005 10:32 pm (UTC)

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He is a monster not because he is a Lebanese but because he shot and killed 2 children including a 4 year old.
FYI, "Israel" has shot and killed (most of the time intentionally) thousands of Palestinian children. Not only that, but "Israel" has bombed (with illegal weapons) residential buildings (which had many children in them) in West Beirut, killing more than 30,000.

I guess it's OK if a "legitimate" army does it, but not a resistance movement or an individual. Then we get the green light to start demonising an entire people for the acts of an individual, and at the same time we should never demonise the "Israelis" because their army does the same kinds of things, "only" in thousands...............

You are a racist because you only mourn the loss of YOUR kind. Most Jews are like that. They mourn their holocaust yet deny that of others. They mourn their children who were killed by "terrorists" and not those of others who are killed by their people.....

If Samir is a "monster", so is every Jew (yes, I left out "and anyone else" intentionally) who supports "Israel".

Go read more on your so-called history full of child-killing. Start with Qana and the bombing of the ambulance at Mansouri. Go look at some pics. Go see how your people kill innocent children, far more brutally than simply a shot in the head. Go see how your "people" decapitate children, and then come back and tell me that you still don't understand why you're hated so much.

http://www.mitglied.lycos.de/safir/jnoub/kana21.htm

You have become that which you despised.

Now get the hell out of here.
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From:lady_nerwen
Date:November 9th, 2007 09:49 am (UTC)

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I'm an Arab, and I don't need people like you at all. =)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:February 15th, 2005 05:05 am (UTC)

additionally...

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The author of this page isn't actually interested in politics, and it seems he has deleted alot of what what I was responding to. His sole goal is to spread hate, because he obviously has a lot of personal problems and needs to take it out on others. I have yet to see one response from him that follows a logical train of thought.

I'm sorry to you if I was wrong about Christians in Lebanon, my information came to me from a friend whose family was expelled from the country so I just took his word for it.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 05:16 am (UTC)

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Knobhead, don't even pretend to know me. I have not deleted any of your posts.

And Christians were NOT expelled from Lebanon. Get your facts straight!
From:kupo717
Date:February 15th, 2005 05:51 am (UTC)

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Well I don't know who this author is but he is a complete jerk in my opinion. Yeah, you are right that he is insane and doesn't make sense. I'm sorry I got your comment wrong but it really did seem like you were making a racist Arab comment. You obviously do make a lot more sense than this idiot does.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 06:32 am (UTC)

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Consider yourself banned.

Grow up and then you can come back.

Note that I'm not banning you for your views, as I would've done it after the first post if that were the case. Your utter lack of respect is what got you banned. And if you don't care, then bloody fucking good for you!

You have a lot to learn. You're what, 16 years old? You live in the comfort and safety of the USA and have probably never lived in a war situation. I suggest that you look into the validity of your arguments. When you decide to have a respectful discussion without trying to force me to adopt your opinions, you can come back. And as I said, if you don't care, good riddance!
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From:kineta
Date:November 3rd, 2004 10:51 am (UTC)
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Oh, yeah, and- BTW- WE DON"T TEACH OUR CHILDREN TO HATE.
1. The fact that u've mentioned the concept "genetic defects" shows that you're a Nazi.
2. showing a picture of a BABY holds a stupid sign, that he probably doesn't even know what it means, because HE CAN'T READ you idiot- it's not teaching our children to hate... You know what is teaching children to hate?? Telling little children, and teenagers to THROW STONES, and to go and BLOW THEMSELVES UP in a bus, THAT'S teaching children to hate. Teaching children IN CLASS to hate Israelis. THAT'S TEACHING TO HATE.>>>Double meaning, just incase your racict little head haven't noticed. And that's something we, Israelis do not do. We definitely don't tell our children to go and kill themselves- or other people. And we don't teach them TO HATE in schools.

Kineta.
From:juvenalian
Date:November 3rd, 2004 04:44 pm (UTC)
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The fact that u've mentioned the concept "genetic defects" shows that you're a Nazi.

Read this, bitch (link already in initial post, but as usual, you jump straight onto the bandwagon of smear campaigns). Sounds like the only neo-Nazis are the zionist Jews.

Deputy Defense Minister Ze'ev Boim, addressing the issue of why much of local, regional and world terrorism is directed by extremist Muslims, asked Tuesday, "What is it about Islam as a whole and the Palestinians in particular? Is it some form of cultural deprivation? Is it some genetic defect? There is something that defies explanation in this continued murderousness."

Boim was speaking at a memorial ceremony for the victims of a bus attack on the Coastal Highway 26 years ago.

MK Jamal Zahalka (Balad) said in response that "whoever says that Palestinian behavior is caused by a genetic defect has a brain defect himself and the values of a racist fascist."

"Boim is giving racism a bad name, and returning to the same kind of primitive, sickening and dangerous racism from which the Jews have suffered for many generations," Zahalka said, and demanded that the law against racism be enforced following Boim's statements.

Likud MK Yehiel Hazan supported Boim's statements.

"What Ze'ev Boim said, it hasn't been researched, but according to my experience this is true. I think he is correct. It is well-known that Arabs have been slaughtering and murdering Jews for more than a generation," Hazan said.

"I think this it is in their blood. It is something genetic. I have not researched this, but there is no other way to explain this," Hazan added. "Don't believe an Arab, even one who has been in the grave for 40 years."

Full story on Haaretz here.

That child you see will be taught nothing but hatred at home. Holding that sign is only symbolic of the hatred he is being taught or is going to be taught by his parents. Your double standards make me laugh.

Also, British research and reports indicate no evidence of hateful or inciteful material in Palestinian textbooks. So get your facts straight.
From:hivpretty
Date:January 29th, 2005 04:16 am (UTC)
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it's so doctored I could cry, that's not the right height for a child
From:juvenalian
Date:January 29th, 2005 04:48 am (UTC)
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It actually is not doctored. It was taken from a zionist website. And I have a few other photos with the same sign. It is not doctored.

If it is doctored, then the ones who did it must've been trying real hard to make themselves look bad... Besides, how on earth do you know that the child is not standing on something????

You're such a moron I could cry.
From:juvenalian
Date:January 29th, 2005 04:53 am (UTC)
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You obviously know nothing of photographic angles. The photo is shot sideways and not from the front; it gives the impression of longer height. Get your facts straight, thank you very much.
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From:kineta
Date:November 3rd, 2004 10:38 am (UTC)
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Dear Person,

I don't know you, I don't even have a clue if you're a guy or ש girl, or how old you are. You probably don't know anything about me, either.
I don't care, because after i've read the title of your community, I am pretty sure I don't want to have anything with you. Not with a person who judges without seeing and hearing and understanding both sides. I live in Israel. I'm a 17, almost 18 years old girl. And I want to know, how can you decide that, a person who doesn't live here, doesn't walks to school or to work every day, with terror, knowing that some crazy terrorist might decide to blow himself up in the same bus i'm- or, my parents, my friends, my little brother or sisters, and actually anyone who means anything to me- taking.
Anyway, I want to know why you have the right to say, even think, or wonder, that our DEFENTION army is doing something wrong. cause you are not living here, you don't know what things are like. You simply can't. O.K. I just HAD to look at your journal and info page to find out how come you're such a monster. Got it. I don't need another explaination. "My mom is a selfish whore", "My gramma is selfish.", "I'm hungry and the bitches don't prepare food". Yep. I pity you. Calling that to your mother and to your grandma. And you're like-What- 22? Already an idoit. I pity your mom and your family, and everyone u know. But... Most of all.. I really do pity your future wife, and your future child, or wrose, children. Because they are going to grow up to be MONSTERS, if they don't get very very VERY lucky. Probably what happened to you. What is it? Your dad was a Nazi? a Racict? WOW. I do pity you. I wish you to have no children. Filth like you shouldn't pass on.
I wish you the best in your miserable little- and hopfully child-missing- life.

Kineta.
From:juvenalian
Date:November 3rd, 2004 04:34 pm (UTC)
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"Dear" "Kineta",

Your English is nothing but woe-inspiring. No need to mix my personal life and personal entries with politics. Only losers do.

I do not plan on marrying or having children. I am not quite as selfish as your folk to try to pass on my "genes" when millions of children are orphaned and homeless and malnourished. I plan on adopting. Hopefully bigots like you would eventually die off, and gay people can eventually adopt kids, either as single parents or married parents. But your likes would rather have children live homeless than have a shelter over their heads.

And don't even dare talk about my dad, you filthy whore.

Palestine will soon be in the hands of its rightful owners. Hopefully soon, with Bush re-elected and America on the brink of waging another war on yet another Arab country for the sake of "I$rael".

Oh yeah, and I refuse to continue any discussion with any Jew who supports the state of "Israel" which in turn denies the Armenian genocide. Consider yourself banned (too bad for you that I have decided to use the same fascist iron fist of censorship that "your" country does - but there is still a difference even there - "your people" do it with guns, and they do it on kids). Child-killers and genocide-deniers, that's what you are. Now out.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 1st, 2004 02:51 pm (UTC)
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ok, both of you should A) Stop insulting each other. If you want a solution to this conflict, calling people "filthy whore" surely isn't the way to do it.

B) check out www.memri.org. That makes this entire argument about the baby with the sign go moot at best.

From:kupo717
Date:February 14th, 2005 11:29 pm (UTC)
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Ok well, I just came across this and being of Lebanese decent, many of the things I read on here offended me. For one, miss Bumpinthenight, you have a lot of your information wrong about Lebanon. The Christians have more rights in Lebanon than the Muslims ever did. For the most part, the Christians are the higher class in Lebanon and therefore it wouldn't make sense for you to say that "Christians have been expelled from Lebanon". Furthermore I don't know who is right between Israel and Palestine or who the finger should be pointed at but I do know what Israel did to Lebanon very well. I know that Israel was very unjust toward their occupation in South Lebanon and I know of many of their inhumane crimes towards innocent Lebanese women and children. So now don't sit all hottly and point fingers at "arabs" for all the problems in Israel, you bring it upon yourself you know. And as for Juvenalian, whoever you are, I do not agree with what you say about destroying Israel. I believe that Palestine and Israel should both live freely and equally and no more attacks should be commited on either sides. I do not support an anihalation of Israel as much as I don't support and anihalation of Palestine so I think you are only creating more hate when you make comments like that. Now I know nobody is going to read this since it is an old entry but I just had to comment because I feel very strongly on many issues in the are.
bye ^^
U
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 12:10 am (UTC)
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Well you are entitled to your opinion, but what on earth do you mean by "Christians have more rights in Lebanon than the Muslims ever did"????????????????????

As for the Palestine issue, OK, let's see - what would you say if the Syrians came and said, hey, this is Greater Syria, we want it, and then some of the Lebanese flee their homes because of fighting, and Syria steals the land of the refugees and declares it's now it's own country? Would you support that? I sure wouldn't. Fact is, the Jews are a religion not an ethnicity, and they come from different countries, and those countries are THEIRS, and they have no right to a country. They STOLE the land. What do you think about the Syrian occupation of Lebanon now??? Do you agree with it??? If you don't, then what's so different about "Israeli" occupation of Palestine??? Except that the civilians are bombed the hell out of them every once in a while???
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 12:14 am (UTC)
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OK, now I understand what you mean by "Christians have more rights in Lebanon than the Muslims ever did". :)
From:kupo717
Date:February 15th, 2005 02:06 am (UTC)
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well my opinion on the whole thing is that if it were to happen in Lebanon, I would not support Syrian take over, of Lebanese land, at first; but if it were to escalate to what it has in Palestine then I wouldn't care anymore and would simply want a compromise. I think that the lives of innocent people (reffering to both Palestinians and Israelis) are more important than a few acres of land. I think that the Palestinian-Israeli conflict has become much more than what it was before. It's no longer a fight over land but a blood shed between both sides and I just wish it would stop. I don't agree with the Syrian occupation of Lebanon at all but I also don't agree with the killing of innocent people and I think that Israelis and Palestinians need to stop doing this. If it means losing land to stop death, then I am 100% for it. Sorry if I offend you but I am sick of these stubborn Arabs looking past what's important, peace, life, liberty, and all of that and only thinking about land. I know plenty of Arabs who share the same views as me so I am sick of the few stubborn Arabs like you who make us look bad by constantly threatening the lives of innocent people and don't know how to live in peace.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 03:15 am (UTC)
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So you don't care if the Syrians don't withdraw now and force their ways on us, even though we're peaceful???

And excuse me, you're talking about Arabs being stubborn and greedy, and caring about land more than life, etc., who was the one who made deals with Hitler??? And who was the one who said he prefered having half the Jewish children get killed and the other half taken to Palestine, than all the Jewish children taken to the safety of Britain??? It sure as hell wasn't an Arab! So get your facts straight.

If the Arabs don't "know how to live in peace"? So who came and started the whole conflict and took 55% of the land that BELONGED to others, even though they were less than 40% of the population???? It sure as hell weren't the Arabs!!
From:kupo717
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:08 am (UTC)
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See there you go again. You're being stubborn, thinking that I hate Arabs because I made that comment. Truth of the matter is, I probably like Arabs more than you do because I care about their lives more than you. All you seem to care about are political grudges whereas I'm thinking of the Palestinian children who die everyday because the guerilla fighters and the Israeli soldiers can't get along...because they are constantly fighting over land, innocent
Arab children and women have to die. Who cares about the land that the Palestinians lost 40 years ago? Yes, I understand, it is unjust and wrong, what the Israelis did to Palestine but sometimes in life we just have to face reality and the reality is that Israel is much stronger than Palestine and whatever the Palestinians do, Israel is not going to give them their land back. I mean, the war has been going on for decades, has any change happened? NO...so why should it be any different now. As Arabs we need to think about the lives of these people, not the land they lost or the grudges we have against Israelis. Sometimes compromises just have to be made to create a better world. You know what I'm saying?

On top of it all, you are changing around what I said and putting words in my mouth. I never said Arabs were "greedy", I don't believe that and never will. I also don't believe that your average Arab is a stubborn maniac but I said that a few Arabs are stubborn and they are the one's causing the problems. I never said the Israelis weren't stubborn either. If it weren't for their stubborness, we wouldn't have such a mess right now but I mentioned Arabs because I am one and I believe that the only way Arabs can improve is if we talk about the problems we have and make them better. And what you said about Hitler and all of that made no sense whatsoever. It barely pretained to what we're talking about. I think you need to be a little bit more clear in your arguements or just step down.

Just one last thing, don't put accusations on things that I said. I never said that I want Syria to stay in Lebanon, who would ever want that? I was hypothetically speaking towards a scenario that you brought up about "what if Syria took Lebanon's land?". I was saying that if Syria took over Lebanon and took some of their land I wouldn't agree with it...BUT...if it were to escalate into a full scale war (God forbid) killing thousands of innocent people I would say "screw the land, save the lives, and stop this fighting", that's all I meant by it. I'm Lebanese, I would never side with Syria, ok, so don't make assumptions. And please, stop replying to my comments because I can't take your ignorant views, you have no respect for mine or any other side's opinions and it really pains me to have to reply to all your silly comments and make corrections to the wrong assumptions that you make.

Goodbye
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 04:49 am (UTC)
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"I'm thinking of the Palestinian children who die everyday because the guerilla fighters and the Israeli soldiers can't get along..."

Excuse me, but... Palestinian children are being targeted regardless of whether or not the guerrillas are fighting the "Israelis".

Newsflash: 13 year old Palestinian boy in Hebron shot and killed because he looked "suspicious".

"we just have to face reality and the reality is that Israel is much stronger than Palestine and whatever the Palestinians do, Israel is not going to give them their land back."

Wrong. If the Hezballah had followed the same reasoning, South Lebanon would've been in "Israel" right now...

You mentioned that Arabs put land before life, that means you're implying they're greedy. Don't play games on me.

"I never said that I want Syria to stay in Lebanon, who would ever want that?"

Then you're a hypocrite. Syria HAS already taken Lebanon's land, and according to your logic, the Lebanese should just live with that "fact".

"And please, stop replying to my comments"

Moron, I will reply whenever I want to. I run this community. If you don't like it, you're free to fuck off.
From:ethan123456
Date:February 18th, 2005 01:49 pm (UTC)
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"who was the one who made deals with Hitler??? "



Does this answer your question??



The Jerusalem MUFTI and prominenet Palestinian figure, Mohammed Amin al-Husseini discussing alliances with hitler
From:juvenalian
Date:February 18th, 2005 07:00 pm (UTC)
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Read about ZIONISTS' alliances with the NAZIS.

And I hope this answers your questions:



This poster is from the days of the Lebanese war, it says "Yes to the Phalangists". The Phalange party/militia, "Israel's" biggest ally during the war (and to this day), was founded by Pierre Gemayel after a visit in 1935/6 to Nazi Germany.........

So much for Jewish "purity of arms"......................
From:ethan123456
Date:February 18th, 2005 01:59 pm (UTC)
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"Fact is, the Jews are a religion not an ethnicity, and they come from different countries, and those countries are THEIRS, and they have no right to a country."

Funny how the murderous mobs that killed, raped, and pillaged the Iraqi Jewish community during the Farhoud riots didnt quite think of their neighbor Jews as fellow Iraqis that had the right to live there. Im sure at the time you were the first one protesting

PS: The Jewish community in Hebron who had lived there until 1929 when they were driven out by mob and gang violence and murder were Arabic and Aramaic speakers who can probably trace their roots back to the city to before the advent of Islam. Funny how the Palestinians who drove them out didnt think of them as fellow Palestinians
From:juvenalian
Date:February 18th, 2005 06:50 pm (UTC)
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Funny how the murderous mobs that killed, raped, and pillaged the Iraqi Jewish community.... didnt quite think of their neighbor Jews as fellow Iraqis that had the right to live there.
Funny how those same "Iraqis" were members of the "Jewish underground".........

Funny how the Palestinians who drove them out didnt think of them as fellow Palestinians
Funny how they were talking about zionism and driving the non-Jews out and filling the place with Jews...... Funny how you want to kill Palestinians for forming "underground" resistance movements but criticise those who did the same to Jews.

Funny how you're a hypocrite.
From:juvenalian
Date:February 15th, 2005 03:23 am (UTC)
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B) I bet so would the "Israeli" "soldiers" who shot and killed a Palestinian boy in Hebron because he looked "suspicious". Arsehole.