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Nov. 18th, 2004 @ 05:56 pm Dear Israel,
I don't understand - what is the point of demolishing settlements even in case of "disengagement"??? Why can't you just be kind enough to leave the houses to the already impoverished and unjustly treated Palestinians? Or would that be considered some sort of "reparation" and therefore an admission of "fault" on your part?
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juvenalian:
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 25th, 2004 07:14 pm (UTC)
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How dare you speak.. you want to help palestine!? hah! i spit on you!
From:bakine4
Date:March 5th, 2005 02:59 am (UTC)

if you havent see it alredy go here:

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From:3rdchakra
Date:March 30th, 2005 06:47 pm (UTC)
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Wow you are a brave and free soul... What kind of Karma will come to those people and their children? Why aren't they afraid of God and his wrath? I pray everyday for the Millions and Millions of people who suffer because of America and Isreal.
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From:gotareason
Date:April 5th, 2005 06:28 pm (UTC)
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"The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God."
the Lord speaking to Abraham, Genesis 17:8

nobody in their right mind wants suffering, but God says the land belong to the Israelis, so who should leave?
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From:3rdchakra
Date:April 5th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC)

Which God are they talking about?

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Yes but God never said to kill millions of innocent people and steal the land from the people there. They were suppose to respect the people of that land and live with peace. Jerusalem means city of peace not the city of genocide....
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 26th, 2005 08:28 pm (UTC)

get your facts right

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1st of all, I think u are gravely mistaken... and u made a typo. U say that its the Isralis that are murdering innnocents (millions??!) it was certainly not. It is the Palestinians who are killing innocent children and civialians.
And, the Jews were there long before any Palestinians. The Jews came there after WW2 and started to fix the land by draining the swamps and planting crops . The "palestinians" came because they needed jobs and this was cheep labor. THE DAY AFTER Israel was created, the Arab countries around it attacked it and Israel was able to defend itself. ALLLL the wars between the Arabs and the Jews were started by the arabs and won by the jews... abviously god is on the jews' side... the palestinians were the ones that started all the homocide and suicide bombings targeting innocents...why, pray tell, is it wrong for the Israelis to defend themselves!!??!?!
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From:3rdchakra
Date:November 7th, 2005 09:58 pm (UTC)

Re: No get your facts right

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I see someone took their brain wash pill today! Does your government provide those free of charge? Who has the weapons and who has petty rocks??? History will repeat itself and Daivd will defeat the giant! If your fighting for your land it's called defense wether they uses tanks or car bombs!

abviously god is on the jews' side (You mean Obviously right?)

If God was on your side he wouldn't scatter the jews among the nations or have you wonder the desert for 40 years. He never did that to anyone else but to the Jews.

Come on who's God? What if I don't beleive in your God? And I don't think God chooses sides with petty Humans! God is greater than that and we will see the truth and the light in the end. And in the End we will see we are all ONE!! WE ARE ALL ONE!!! ONE UNIVERSE UNI MEANING ONE!!! There are no sides with God!!!

To be honest with you I just wish there would be peace for both sides. Innocent people on both sides are dying everyday for no reason at all! ALL WE NEED IS SOME PEACE AND LOVE FOR EVERYONE!

Peace and much love to you....







From:juvenalian
Date:April 5th, 2005 07:59 pm (UTC)
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Who gives a fuck about what "God" says? I sure don't. I mean, we don't even fucking know if "God" exists or not. So why should we believe that it's "his" will?
From:god_dreadin_jew
Date:May 1st, 2005 04:42 pm (UTC)
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As you can probably tell by my username, I'm Jewish. I'm not a fanatic and I don't believe in Israel's absolute perfection and superiority. I want the Palestinians to be free and to have their own state.

This is just a very general question: How does this community feel about Israel's civil liberites record in comparison to Syria's? Egypt's? Iran's? I'd love to see an in-depth comparison of freedom of the press, religion, and sexual preference, among others. Israel has many faults and has contributed a great deal to the mess in the region today, but it is also subject to grossly disproportionate condemnation. Ironically enough, this is partially due to Israel's free and very critical press and just Supreme Court, which, citing human rights, frequently bars the IDF from doing what it feels is in Israel's best interest. Arab women can vote in Israel, but not in Saudi Arabia.

I do not hear those who rally against Israel (on a human rights platform) and its Jewish identity complaining about the Muslim identity in the score of nations surrounding it, or the serious deficiency of human rights in those places.

I do not hear those who rally against Israel conceding that both sides have been guilty of collective punishment, or defining suicide bombing as such.

I do not hear those who rally against Israel admitting that Arafat's goal was not freedom or peace for his people, or that he could've done more to realize their interests.

I completly understand how some of Israel's qualities and actions are abhorrent to many people, but I simply don't see them caring about Arab Muslims who are or have been persecuted by their own governemnts (including the Palestinian Authority under Arafat).

Note: I understand how it feels to called Anti-Semitic when all you are being is Anti-Zionist. I'm sure this community is not an Anti-Semitic one. But beware of forcing a double (triple?) standard on the Jewish State, lest you be misunderstood. If you believe in human rights and the seperation of church and state and the absence of religious descrimiation, one way to be taken seriously about Israel is to apply the same standard to all nations.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 26th, 2005 08:35 pm (UTC)

thank you

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thank you for clearing that up for people; however, if a person is anti zionist or pro palestinian, it is the same thing as saying that palestinian terrorism is right. that, in itself, is anti semitic, because it is supporting the murder of jews (israel is a jewish state, remember??)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:October 26th, 2005 08:36 pm (UTC)

thank you (ish)

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thank you for clearing that up for people; however, if a person is anti zionist or pro palestinian, it is the same thing as saying that palestinian terrorism is right. that, in itself, is anti semitic, because it is supporting the murder of jews (israel is a jewish state, remember??)
From:(Anonymous)
Date:August 19th, 2005 05:49 pm (UTC)
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Because they don't deserve them. The agreement was to give over the land, not the houses they were built by Israelis and their hardearned money. They have to do the same thing the Israelis had to do when they showed up on the land.
From:fiaja
Date:September 14th, 2005 08:09 pm (UTC)

Palestinians

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I've been attending a Middle Eastern Film festival and have watched several films that really help people understand what's going on in Palestine. Something different from the FOX TV type reporting we are used to in the Western world.

1. "Until When..." - Documentary about lives under occupation. Interviews with children/families in camps. A chance for people to realise that all Palestinians are not faceless terrorists!
2. "Private" - Feature film by Italian director - about a house under occupation and a father's attempt at passive resistance.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:December 11th, 2005 05:18 am (UTC)
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I have very definite views on this topic. If anyone would care to view my daily journal, I welcome your support. -Sierra

http://www.livejournal.com/users/sierra_salem
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From:ketita
Date:December 18th, 2005 04:56 pm (UTC)
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I would like to point out some things.
As part of the peace agreements between Israel and Egypt, it was agreed that the Yamit area would be cleared of Jews. Jews were thrown out of their houses by the army, using (among others) hoses, chains, and cages. Mind you, this was done to Jews, by Jews. The result was an Intifada.
Then there were the Oslo Accords. The Palestinian Authority was created. It was agreed to pull out of Palestinian settlements in Gaza and Somaria. There was another Intifada (do you see the trend yet?)
And now. Israel handed over 28 Jewish settlements that belonged to Jews who had lived there for three generations (or more) to the Palestinians. And the rockets are falling on Ashkelon, and there are more suicide bombings.
The Israelis must be complete suckers to put up with all this, don't you think?
Maybe if the P.A spent more money on their peoples' welfare and less on ammunition, their standard of living would be higher.
And while we're at it- the synagogues were left intact, and they were burnt. How many mosques has Israel burnt in the past few years?